THE PAPEZ MEMO RABI LIA - BOSTON _;_ APRIL 8th,· 1981


                                           Frank Mayfield



             The recording opens with a _discussion of Dr ..A. R.
             Vonderahe.




F.M.     He was responsible for the publication of the first cortical
         stimulation in the human.


         The first case of electrical stimulation of the cortex inthe
         human was carried out in Cincinnati.            It was reported by Vonderahe,
         but .he didn't do it.


         The patient had osteomyelitis.            They had the cortex exposed - he
         had always wanted to do the ·stimulation - so they did it and made
         the observation that in certain areas of the cortex you could make
         the leg jump.   But he wa·s disciplined by the Human Experimentation
         people, but the observation was so fundamental.            It is quoted in
         most of the literature.     Vonderahe was the one who described that.


         When Papez was available Vonderahe would bring him down regularly,
         but Rosenaw came from the Mayo: Clinic and worked in a salaried
         position for several yea.rs.    He and .Papez were good friends.        He was
         at the Longview Hospital.      I was·a consultant out there.        I didn't have
         anything to do out there, but when they would have these sessions I would
         go out and sit_in - gosh, I haven't thought. about that for a long time.


K.E.L.   That was over several years, wasntt it?


F.M.     Yes, I would say 3-5 years:     That was when Papez was in Columbus.
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K.E.L.   Did you ever hear Papez talking about his 1937 paper on Emotion?




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F.M.     I really can't answer ·that - I'm sure I-did, Ken - I knew him well
         and I was quite aware of the ·paper, but whether I heard him talk
         about it or not I don't know.


         Doug Goldman was the Medical Director - a Psychiatrist and ·a very
         fine one.     He is still alive and very alert.      He was the one that
         was responsible for bringing Rosenaw to Longview.          I always attribu-
         ted Papez's visits there to Rosenaw, but it may have been Goldman.
         I will ask him.


K.E.L.   We have a fair amount of personal correspondence of Papez, much of
         it between him and Vonderahe, but I will look for some reference to
         Rosenaw·or Goldman.     I know he was very close to Vonde.rahe.


F.M.     Yes, Vonderahe was a very fine, gentle man.          When I was contemplating
         going froni Louisville to Cincinnati, my first introduction ·to a
         physician in-Cincinnati was to Al Vonderahe.


         Thompson who was a surgeon, said I just want you to meet and know
         Al Vonderahe. 'They had been classmates - so we drove up and went to
         the symphony.     The Vonderahes joined us at the symphony.       I spent the
         next day with him and out of that grew a unique friendship, that lasted
         until Al's death just two years ago.       You know he was a·Neurologist and
         in a sense an absent minded Professor.        But he was a profound anatomist,
         and a delightful person.        I have a lot of correspondence with Vonderahe,
         but I don't know if .any of it is. particularly relevant to Papez ~        I   was
         very much aware of his frequent visits.        I   think I have. access to these
         files.   I don't know if ·it would be indexed in reference to Papez, but
         you probably have ·a lot of that anyway, don't you?


K.E.L.   We· have considerable· exchange ·between Papez and Vonderahe.
         But Malone~ I kriow that Papez was.interested in Malone - the Professor
         of Anatomy.




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F.M.   Ken, why don'·t you come down etc.        All of the important documents
       of·. that era are now in the Historic Library.       It is all catalogued. ·
       Dr. I s·.etts is the Curator of the Historical Library of the Medical
       Science~ Center.   I had in my possession the hand-carved skull which
       was carved by a Japanese _surgeon and given to Emanuel Gross when he
       was Professor of Surgery at Pennsylvania.         Gross had at one time been
       on our Faculty a_t the University ·of Cincinnati.       I kept it in my home -
       you may have seen. it :- no, you haven't been there, have you?       I said
       well the place where this belongs is in the Historic Library - so I
       sent it there sometime ago.         You must come down soon, and have a look
       at all that material which we now have catalogued.




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