School of Medicine accredited by the American Medical Association for continuing medical education. Thank you very much, Doctor Nahmias, Dr Bloom, You notice I've just promoted you and members of the faculty students, visitors of Emory University. I consider it a great privilege to have this opportunity to be the Aaron Brown lecturer. And what I would like to do this morning is to share with you some of the recent and very exciting developments in the field of viral hepatitis. First, let us define the term viral hepatitis, and I think it's important to indicate that the term viral hepatitis really reflects not one disease but at least two diseases, I say, at least because the closing slide the last slide, which I will show you may indicate that there may be more than two causes of viral hepatitis. But the two most common causes of viral hepatitis are, as you know, viral hepatitis type A, which was formally and probably still is called infectious hepatitis and viral hepatitis type B, which is was formally and my guess is it's still called serum hepatitis, but the terminology type A and type B hepatitis is the accepted terminology, and it should be used because if one uses the terminology serum hepatitis, it gives you the impression that the only way that you can get serum hepatitis is as a result of a blood transfusion or as a result of an inoculation with a contaminated needle. And it's been well demonstrated in recent years that Type B hepatitis or serum hepatitis also spreads from person to person as a result of very close and very physical type of contact with sharing of excretions, and so that it does not require a needle and inoculation or a blood transfusion. Now in the late 1940s and 1949 to be exact when doctor enters and his colleagues, Dr Robbins and Dr Weller, cultivated poliovirus and tissue culture. This was an historic occasion because in the wake of this very outstanding event, shortly thereafter, specific tests became available for the specific diagnosis of poliomyelitis. And as many of you know, by the mid 1950s, it was then possible to actually develop a vaccine for the prevention of poliomyelitis. The same model of cultivating viruses in tissue culture has been used for a variety of viruses, and shortly after polio virus was cultivated in tissue culture. A variety of other viruses was successfully cultivated also, and so it then became possible to cultivate respiratory viruses of various types. Measles virus, rubella virus, herpes simplex virus. Many, many viruses were then successfully cultivated in the cell culture and in the wake of many of these developments, we then had a measles vaccine, and then we had a rebel a vaccine, and then we had the mumps vaccine. While in the 1950s, when many, many investigators, many virologists were attempting to cultivate various viruses, many obviously also tried to cultivate either Type A or type B hepatitis Because it was well known and well recognized in the 1950s, especially in the wake of the experience during not only the Second World War but many, many other wars, that viral hepatitis was one of the most important unsolved problems in the field of preventive medicine. And so with this new technology, many investigators tried to cultivate Type A and type B hepatitis, And I believe I can tell you that as of today, which is May the 1st, No one has successfully reproducible cultivated either Type A or type B hepatitis in cell culture. There have been many, many reports, but none of the reports have been confirmed. Now, if you review the pattern of control of a variety of infectious diseases and development of vaccines, et cetera, one finds that once the virus is cultivated and once the vaccine and the specific tests that developed, it is then that we have extraordinary progress. And yet, in spite of the fact at neither Taipei nor Type B, hepatitis virus has been cultivated. As many of you in this audience probably know from reading the literature, there have been exciting and extraordinary developments Over the past 5 to 10 years. Now, what has happened in the 19 fifties and in the early 19 sixties. Many, many investigators try to transmit Type A or Type B, hepatitis, two primates, non non human primates. And all of these efforts failed Until somewhere around the mid 1960s, I think it was roughly 1965. It was Dr Dihn Heart and his colleagues reported that they had successfully transmitted Taipei hepatitis to marmoset monkeys. Dr. Dihn Hart's findings were not confirmed initially, and the reason they weren't confirmed initially is because we know now, in retrospect, that the agent that Dr Dihn heart transmitted to marmoset monkeys was not the same as the human hepatitis virus that many of us knew about and worked with. It was an entirely different agent, But by the late 1960s, that then became obvious not only in Dr. Dihn Hearts Laboratory, but many other investigators and other laboratories successfully then transmitted the type A hepatitis to marmoset monkeys. Now, before going into the details of some of the recent developments within the last two years regarding uh regarding type hepatitis, I'd like to first with the With the first slide illustrate some of the differences between Type A and type B hepatitis. And that is, as many of you know, following exposure to Taipei. The incubation period is relatively short. It's usually about 15 to 30 days, and at the end of the incubation period there is a prompt rise in serum Trans Am in its activity, and the duration of abnormal Trans am in ice activity is very, very short. In striking contrast, type B hepatitis and I refer to RMS one in R. M s to strain here following exposure to type B hepatitis, whether it be a blood transfusion, accidental inoculation or whatnot. The incubation period instead of being approximately 30 days, is closer to 60 days, and it may be even much longer. And the Trans am in its activity is much different. There's a gradual rise in S G, O. T or S GPT, and then it gradually falls down. If it is going to fall down and come back to normal. And the duration of abnormal trans am in its activity is much more prolonged than type than it is in Taipei. Now, at the time that my colleagues and I separated the two types of hepatitis in the institution where we were working Type A from Taipei. Originally, it was all thought to be in so called infectious hepatitis. But then when we identified the M S one and the M s to strain, Realizing that MS two or type was also infectious by mouth and infectious by contact at this time In the early 1960s, it was just impossible to make a precise, specific diagnosis of either type A or type if we knew about the exposure. Utilizing these non specific factors that you see here, then we could assume that one was Type A and the other was type B. It was important, of course, because we had known for many, many years based on human volunteer studies that had been carried out during the Second World War by various investigators. That one attack of Taipei hepatitis was followed by immunity to type but not the type. And an attack of tip was followed by immunity to thought to be followed by immunity to type. And subsequently we confirmed this, but not to Taipei. So there was homologous immunity, but there was no heterogeneous immunity, and so it was extremely important to try to develop some specific test to specifically identify both A and B Now. The breakthrough in Taipei came in recent years first, as I tried to indicate with the transmission of the agent to marmoset monkeys. The second breakthrough came several years ago when doctors could pickin and Purcell and Fine Stone and their colleagues using a technique. And we can take that slide off. Please slide up, please. Using a technique known as immune electron microscopy had an opportunity to study the stools of patients with acute hepatitis And in these tools they were able to identify virus like particles, which were 27 nm and 27 nm in diameter. These particles were present only during the acute phase, and the reason they were able to detect these particles is that in this technology of immune electron microscopy by adding antibody to the filtration, it was possible to cause an aggregation of the few particles that were present in stool in, and they were able to demonstrate that this was clearly associated with Type A infection, and it was not associated with type, and it was not associated with other infectious diseases. And so here was a test that was available to actually detect virus like particles, presumably type a virus in the stools of patients who had type hepatitis. But obviously this was a research tool. It wasn't very practical. Another way to make a diagnosis of Type a hepatitis and this was done by Dr Hillman and his colleagues several years ago and reported in several journals was to actually do a neutralization test using marmoset monkeys. But of course, this, too is a very expensive and very hot, and as a research tool, These 27 nmeter particles which doctors find stone and colleagues detected in the stools of patients with type hepatitis, as you will see in the next slide were also detected in infected marmoset serum. And this is a figure from a paper by Dr Hillerman and his colleagues. And what you see here on this slide, this is their CR Costa Rican 3 26 strain of human hepatitis A virus which they prepared by seizing chloride density gradient separation from infected marmoset serum. They infected the marmosets. And during the acute stage, when there was supposed to be very mia, They were able to detect these particles which are 27 nm in diameter, and look exactly the same as those described by Dr Fine Stone. The next the slide will show you what happened when they took infected liver homogeneous and then looked at that. And you can see that in the infected liver, homogeneous state of the marmoset liver, the same virus like particles were present. They then used these infected livers and we can take the slide off, please. They then use these infected livers, prepared an extract of the infected liver to use it as an antigen to see if it could detect be using it in an antibody test. And initially they did a complement fixation antibody test and then subsequent to that they did a test, which is called an Immune Adherence antibody test, and in the paper that will be published Next month or this month. In May of 1975 in the Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, Dr Hillman and his colleagues report the results of this immune adherence antibody test. The results are very impressive. They were able to demonstrate that persons who were developing type hepatitis had no detectable antibody before exposure, but developed high levels of antibody some weeks after onset of hepatitis. This paper, which is going to be published this month and which was first presented at a meeting in Milan late in December on the face of it sounds like a very, very important contribution now. I was at that meeting in Milan when I heard Dr Hilleman present this paper, and as soon as we return to the States, I asked Dr Hillman if he would permit us to use some of the antigen to try to confirm try to repeat some of the observations that he had made with this particular, uh, with this test. During the last 20 years, while my colleagues and I have been involved with studying hepatitis both Type A and Type B, we have accumulated a bank of serum specimens where we have collected specimens before, during and some weeks, some months and some years after onset of both Type A and type B hepatitis. And so I selected out of our deep freeze 473 specimens From patients, 20 patients who have had type a hepatitis specimens collected before, during and for some years there after we coded these specimens and a member of my laboratory then took the coded specimens and repeated the same test that Dr Hillman and his colleagues had carried out And why I can summarize it very briefly by telling you that not a single one of the 20 patients had detectable antibody before onset of acute hepatitis and 20 out of 20 developed antibody immune adherence antibody To type a hepatitis within 1-4 weeks after so that it was 100 and the pattern is illustrated on the next line And as you can see from this slide, this is one of the 20 patients here. You have the onset of type A hepatitis at this point at about four weeks. Note that there was no detectable antibody immune adherence antibody before onset of hepatitis. Note that within a matter of a week or two, after onset of hepatitis levels began to rise And reached the extraordinary level of equal to or greater than 81 920 In one of these patients. When we finally completed the titillation, it was 1, 320,000. So these are fantastic levels of antibiotic. You will then note as we check all of the serum specimens. And in this particular patient, we have a nine year follow up. We still have an antibody tighter of 1-6 49 years later. And so these observations confirmed everything that Dr Hellerman reported and more details about this Will be published in the May 29 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. I have too much to cover so that I can't go into too much detail about it. But both Dr Hillerman's article in the May issue of proxy Shock and our article in the New England Journal of Medicine later this month, I can give you the additional details regarding this test. It seems obvious, as you look at this slide, that this is an extraordinary, extraordinarily good test to try to determine susceptibility. If there's no detectable antibody, the likelihood is that that person is susceptible to type the hepatitis. It's a good test to try to determine immunity to Taipei. It's a good test to use for an essay of gamma globulin standard gamma globulin, to determine what the tighter of hepatitis A embody is in gamma globulin. It's a good test, of course, to be used by virologists who are attempting to cultivate Type A virus and tissue culture because this is an excellent marker and it is a relatively simple test to do and can be done in most laboratories because the tests that are being now being done for Type B hepatitis in in many, many laboratories throughout the country, this is essentially the basics of it are an urgent antibiotic complement complex with a group O positive human red cells, and it causes an and the illumination type of phenomenon in these red cells. It's very simple to do and very simple to raise, so that here we have a new and very exciting development, as is as concerns Taipei hepatitis prospects for prevention of type A hepatitis by active immunization, I'd have to say Right now there are no prospects for prevention of type A hepatitis by active immunization because it will require cultivating this particular virus in tissue cultures so that enough energon will be available to be used for, uh, use of, uh, as a vaccine. And as of the present time, no one has successfully cultivated it. When we take that slide off, please, I'd like to very quickly now leave type A and then move over to type hepatitis. Now, as many of you know, one of the most exciting developments regarding type B hepatitis was the discovery of Australia, an urgent By Dr. Bloomberg and his colleagues and they. Although this occurred in the early 1960s, it became obvious to most everyone who reads the literature by the late 1960s now initially when Australia, when it was shown that Australia an urgent was associated with hepatitis, it wasn't known as to whether it was associated with be only or a only or both. And in the original reports by Bloomberg and by Cokie and by others, it was found, at least in their experience, based on the criteria that they used. It was found to be associated with both Type A and Type B, but they had to rely on the clinicians to give them the diagnosis of type and type. And most clinicians would not make a diagnosis of type if there weren't a history of an inoculation for a blood transfusion, so that those patients who had Type B hepatitis, which was acquired as a result of intimate contact, whether it be a venereal type of transmission or into close contact with sharing of secretions, those patients, we're not called type. They were called infectious hepatitis because the dogma at that time was that the only way you could get type B hepatitis was buying inoculation. And that is why the original reports regarding the Australian androgen suggested that it was present both in Type A and Type B, and that is why the nomenclature initially was hepatitis associated antigen H A. But then Dr Prince and his colleagues and Dr Giles of our staff and our colleagues showed very clearly that this particular Anderson was associated only with B and not with a and as a result of that, the nomenclature, of course, changed again, and it was called hepatitis B and urgent. Now that next slide will show you What one can see if one looks under the in an electron microscope and looks at a sample of serum taken from a carrier with type B hepatitis or taken from a person who happens to be during the acute stages of type B hepatitis, In contrast with the photograph of Type A, which you saw a few moments ago where you have all of the particles of the same, They're all 27 nm in diameter. Here you will note you have particles that seems to have an outer coat and an inner core, and it measures approximately 42 nanometers in diameter. And then you have these smaller particles about 20 nanometers in diameter, and then you have these elongated, cylindrical type particles, Also 20 nm in diameter. But much longer well, again, to make a very, very long story very, very short because of the limitation of time. It is now clear, I think, to most persons working in this field that this particle is 42 nanometer particle, which was first described by Dr Dane D. A. N E. And his colleagues some years ago from from London that this 42 nanometer particle is in all probability, the hepatitis B virus. The other particles that you see here, the Australia an urgent or the hepatitis B and these are the particles, which are essentially the same as the surface part of the Dane particle, so that this hepatitis B virus As at least two components, it has a core, and it has an outer coat. The outer coat is the hepatitis surface. Be surface, an urgent or the Australia energy. In the new clinic, asset is in the inner core and there are immunologically distinct. These are immunologically distinct addictions, as has been shown by various investigators, especially Dr Hoofnagle and his colleagues at the Bureau of Biologics, so that we now have to talk in terms of not only the hepatitis. We can't talk in terms of a hepatitis B at urgent because we now have a hepatitis B surface antigen and we haven't hepatitis B core antigen. And as you can see from this slide here, the Committee on viral hepatitis of the National Academy of Sciences felt that the nomenclature had to be clarified. And so instead of talking in terms of I'd like I didn't mean to press that. So can we come back instead of talking in terms of Australia, an urgent or hepatitis B antigen, we have to talk in terms of hepatitis B, surface antigen, H B s, a G and the antibody to this hepatitis B surface antigen is anti HBs and then hepatitis B, core antigen and anti HBC. And then, of course, we refer to the Dane particle being the hepatitis B virus. It's a little more complicated than that because it has been shown that there are, as you will see in the next slide. There are sub uh, there are specificities of the hepatitis B surface antigen so that we have. We can have a hepatitis B surface image and and they all have this group specific determining small a and subtype specific determinants D, N. Y and W and R so that a patient who receives a blood transfusion that is added and positive may receive a transfusion that contains H B S, a G A D W or A D R A Y w or a Y R. This is extremely important because it's an important epidemiological finding because these subtypes breed true, the recipient of a DW will get a D W and not a yw. And so if you have a patient who has hepatitis and was presumably exposed to someone else, if the subtypes are the same, then the circumstantial evidence is that it really came from that person. If the subtypes are different, then the circumstantial evidence is that it came from someone else, so that from the point of view of epidemiological surveys, this is extremely important. The crucial question is what happens as far as what will happen as far as protection against hepatitis will a person who has had hepatitis B caused by a D. W B immune to hepatitis B caused by a Y W well, the LTD available evidence would suggest yes. In all probability, there is protection between these various types. More information has to be collected and more information will be needed. I think the saving grace will be the fact that there is this common determinant. Small A With all of these, now we'll go to the next slide. We now happen to be in a very unusual situation where not only do we have, as I described earlier, and these are more recent developments a specific test to diagnose Taipei infection. But now we have a variety of specific tests to diagnose type B infections. Now there are a number of ways you can a number of tests that can be done. Obviously the Trans Am in eight hours have been available a long, long time so that you can do S g o T. As you follow a patient who has been exposed. A new observation by Dr Kaplan and Dr Jared and his colleagues within the past few years in an article that was published in The Journal of Virology, indicates that you can actually detect DNA proliferates activity in association with type B hepatitis. It's transient, and we'll discuss that in a moment. The other tests you can do is for hepatitis B surface antigen antibody to the core and antibody to the surface antigens. And so if you have a patient who was exposed to Tybee at day zero. And if you follow that patient prospectively, I must tell you that the black area refers means that it is. The test is abnormal or the Anderson is detectable. The stippled area means that we looked for it, but it wasn't there. It's either normal or non detectable. And so, as you can see from the slide, the most common type of type B hepatitis, which is one in which you have acute hepatitis and the patient recovers and then becomes immune. The first thing that becomes abnormal, usually within one month, is hepatitis B. Surface antigen becomes detectable, then DNA polymerase activity, then at about 2 to 3 months, is when there's evidence of abnormal liver function tests. Serum Trans Am in its becomes abnormal. You will note that the first antibody to be detectable is the antibody to the core, and some weeks or some months later, antibody to the hepatitis B surface energy again making a very, very long story very, very short. It turns out that the protective antibody, the neutralizing antibody, is this antibody to the surface, and it's this antibody, which is the protective one. The antibody to the core is not has not been shown to be the protective antibody. And Dr Hoofnagle and uh, Garrity and Barker and their colleagues at the Bureau of Biologics have have tested more than 100 chronic carriers of the hepatitis B added in. And 100% of these carriers have antibodies to the core, but they don't have detectable antibody to the surface energy. That doesn't mean that they will necessarily get a second attack of type B hepatitis. But there's no detectable antibody to the surface. And this is what happens following a parental exposure and, as you can see in the next slide following exposure by contact with a carrier. The only difference is is that the incubation period is obviously longer. Some several months after exposure to a carrier again, the first thing is an agent, then DNA polymerase, then abnormal S C o T. Then add the body to the core in this particular, uh, person. There was no antibody to the hepatitis B surface antigen detected by this technique. This is passive hemoglobin ation, but that is not as sensitive as radio Immuno asset. You will note that later, uh, following exposure again. There was an antibody to the hepatitis B surface antigen, But in any event, this is what happens in a contact infection type. And the final illustration I'd like to show you is an example. In an example of, uh, of the chronic carrier state. This is extremely uncommon. It happens most especially in adults Of adults who get acute hepatitis. The odds are that well over 95, possibly even 98%,, Will recover from their hepatitis and will not be carriers, but a small percentage, whether it's 1% or less than 1% or 2%, we're really not sure it requires much more. Many more prospective studies will end up as chronic carriers, and here's an example of a chronic carrier again, exposure at this point. First, Anderson DNA people embrace, which is prolonged for many, many years. S G o. T, which was abnormal for 10 months and then became came down to normal. This is an asymptomatic carrier, But note eight years. 7 or eight years later, the antigen is still present and it may be present for a lifetime, and the body to the core consistently present and a body to the surface and not detectable in this particular situation. You may have that slide off, please. Now. Well, let me look at the next slide, please. First, if I may, Yes. What reason? I want to show you this slide is that here is here is a person who had both type B and type A hepatitis. The type A hepatitis occurred approximately six months after the type B. To show you what can be done today with these new tests. Note that which I be hepatitis occurred at this point here we were able to detect hepatitis B surface antigen. We were able to detect antibody to the core we were able to detect at the appropriate time and the body to the hepatitis B surface antigen. You will note that we tested for antibody both by complement, fixation and immune adherence for antibody to hepatitis A virus at this point. But it wasn't detectable, proving again that these are immunologically distinct viruses. But later, after an attack of Taipei hepatitis, the complement fixing and immune adherence antibody then became detectable. And this is exactly what we would have expected. Lights off, please. Now, this brings us now to a point. Mhm about prevention of type B hepatitis Late 1970 early 1971 my colleagues and I described what we believed was a hepatitis B vaccine. Now I began this discussion by telling you that neither type A nor type B hepatitis has been cultivated in cell culture, and in recent years, the only way that one could really make a vaccine for for a virus infection like polio, measles rubella is to actually have enough energy and enough material present so that you can either inactivated or attenuated. And that required cultivation. Mhm. How could any responsible scientists come out with a report of a possible develop development of a vaccine if nobody has successfully cultivated well, what we were really trying to do at that time was trying to determine if the same treatment of our M s to serum would render that serum, as in non infectious as previous study that we had carried out with RMS one or type a serum. We had learned a number of years ago That if we took MS one, which is Taipei, and diluted it in water, one part of serum nine parts of water and 1 to 10 dilution just boiling That for one minute was enough to render that material non infectious. And so when the Australia Amazon was discovered and when it became possible to actually detect the hepatitis B surface antigen, it was important. At least we felt it was important to try to repeat this with RMS to serum. And we did that and again making a long, long story very, very short. It became obvious to us as a result of a series of studies That boiling that mess to the type B serum in water for one minute rendered it non infectious. But it was still energetic when we tested that material before boiling. It had a tighter of about 1 to 5 12 with by complement fixation, test for the hepatitis B, an urgent and when we tested it after boiling, it was only 12 difference. It was 1 to 2 56. Well, having discovered this accidentally, we felt that it was very important for us to try to determine if this material could actually prevent type hepatitis under the conditions that the conditions under which we were working at that time in the institution And so we did that and again, in several papers published in 1971, it became obvious to us that this heat inactivated material could indeed prevent type B hepatitis. Now, the next slide will show you a slide you've seen before because this is what happens in an unimmunized person, whether it be a blood transfusion or whatnot. Given an unimmunized susceptible person exposed to type B, you get an organ, you get the n a prelim race. You get elevated S G O T antibody to the core and later you get this protective antibody, the antibody to the surface, as you will see in the next slide. After three inoculations of the heat inactivated M s to serum, it became obvious that there was. First of all, there were no symptoms at all. No evidence of abnormal liver function, no DNA proliferates, no hepatitis B surface antigen, no antibody to the core, which is supposed to be a a reflection of replication, the virus. But you will note that after the second inoculation of the heat and activated material, there was antibody to the surface energy and which persisted. And about six months later, after an exposure to the unheated MS two again no symptoms but continued protection. And under the conditions of the study, we were able to protect approximately 70%. And this was with a preparation where where the energetic content was not as potent as obviously could be made. It became obvious then as a result of these studies, that indeed it was possible to make the hepatitis B vaccine. Now, you may ask, You may have that slide off. How is it possible? Well, it turns out that if you take a sample of blood from a carrier and you do if you do a particle count on that blood, You find that there may be as many as 10 to the 10 or 10 to the 12 of these virus like particles. Just visualize all of those zeros. That means that a carrier who isn't ill, who was just walking around going about his or her business, maybe carrying billions and billions of virus particles circulating in the blood. And it has this extraordinary symbiotic relationship between this virus and this human being. But that material given to a person who is susceptible, whether it be a blood transfusion or an intimate contact could spread hepatitis. And so it became obvious, then that this was a peculiar virus. This type hepatitis. Unlike polio, where, during the stage of Vira Mia, there are just a few virus like particles which you can't see under an electron microscope, and you have to cultivate it And re inoculated, and you finally get a tighter of 10 to the 67, possibly 10 to the eight. Here we have a situation where in true life persons are walking around with titles of the order of 10 to the 12 became obvious then to a number of people. That it would be should be possible then to make a vaccine because it was this surface component that was important. And again in the next slide, yeah, summarizing again a great deal of material very, very quickly with the biophysical and biochemical techniques that are available today. It's certainly is possible and has been possible to purify this blood that contains all of these particles. The Dane particles the virus here, these particles here the hepatitis B surface engine and the trick then, is to try to select out these non infectious surface the Australia or the hepatitis B surface and try to purify this preparation and select that out. And, of course, the technology is available and the next slide will show you a for a, the same material treated. And here we think that can be focused a little better. Please. The same material is treated. And as you can see, all that remains are these non infectious particles. And it is this then that was used by two groups of investigators, Dr Morris Hillerman and his colleagues at the Merc Institute with, uh, Therapeutic Research, and Dr Purcell and his colleagues at the National Institute of Allergy. We can turn that off and infectious diseases, both groups. And this was reported at a recent meeting in Washington, which was held Well, I believe was March 12-13 of this year. Both groups reported that they had prepared a vaccine from these purified particles. Now, what I didn't tell you, which I should have told you, Is that one of the very important breakthroughs as far as hepatitis B research came not only with the discovery of the Australia and again in the late 60s, but also With the ability in the early 1970s. This is 1972 73 in reports by Dr Barker and his colleagues and others the ability to transmit type hepatitis to chimpanzees now for many, many years, many, many investigators try to transmit Type B hepatitis to chimpanzees, and they failed. They were unsuccessful. Now why is it that, finally, in 1972 73, it becomes possible? It became possible because tests became available to determine whether chimpanzees were susceptible or whether they were immune. And it turns out that most of the chimpanzees that are brought to this country are immune to hepatitis. And so by selecting out those susceptible chimpanzees And inoculating them, it became possible then to transmit type B hepatitis, and this was reported by various investigators within the past year or two. Then it became possible for both Dr Purcell and his colleagues and Dr Hillerman and his colleagues to take that vaccine that they prepared inoculate chimpanzees, which is what they did. The chimpanzees developed antibody to the hepatitis B surface antigen. They did not develop hepatitis. The controlled chimpanzees did develop hepatitis that is those who were given material that was not purified. And then, roughly six months later, when the immunized the chimpanzees would challenge, they resisted infection. And this has recently been reported, and those of you who are interested the entire July and August issue of the American Journal of Medical Sciences will be devoted to a will be a publication of all of the proceedings of this three day conference on viral hepatitis that was held at the National Academy of Sciences in March of this year. And many of the things that I've tried to relate to you are included in that in that particular volume, I I I indicated that before I began to speak earlier that I I'd like to leave enough time for questions. I see the time is 10 minutes of one or a number of areas that I haven't touched. Or perhaps if we can leave time for questions. But before doing that, since there is a pediatric element to this meeting and since I'm a pediatrician, I can't sit down before I at least make some brief comments about the vertical transmission of Type B hepatitis. And that is it's been shown very clearly that given a situation where a mother a woman who is pregnant is either an asymptomatic carrier of type or is or has acute type hepatitis. There is a fairly good chance that the infant, her infant, may possibly be infected in utero. And if the infant is not infected in utero, that infant more commonly will be infected at the time of birth. Because, remember, at the time of birth, the mother is a carrier. This baby is being born in a bath of hepatitis B virus. It's in the blood, and it's been shown that some weeks or some months after birth, there have been a number of infants who have subsequently developed an organ. Some have gone on to develop clear cut hepatitis. Others have only become carriers. Others have escaped the infection so that there is this possibility of transmission from Mother two infant. And rather than go into more and more details, I'd like to very much thank you for your attention and stop at this point in order that we may have some time for questions and for discussion. Thank you very much. Mhm. Okay. Thank you, Dr Krugman. Very much. Before we go on to the questions. Just like to announce that after this meeting any of you interested in having lunch with Dr Krugman will be eating especially reserved tables in the cafeteria. Uh, secondly, that after that, to 30 men will meet with any interested people to discuss, uh, some cases and, uh, some of the recent aspects of immunization practices. This will be held in room seven, which is in the basement of the Glen Building. Um, floor is now open for the comments or questions. Dr. Columbus? Yeah. Improvement. I believe you plan to comment on this. Time apparently stopped you. You indicated that there is a type specific immunity after virus A and after virus be infection. And probably the a determinant on the energon is the one that is protective. Therefore, these areas the WR subtypes are are just epidemiologic interest, but not of immunological importance. Mhm. What I would like for you to comment on is those individuals who had a typical type B infection who became sociologically positive for the energy and energy and disappeared than they have repeated attacks of hepatitis. Many who had at least two attacks. But they are well defined attacks three or four and I would like to speculate on the alphabet C, Maybe the well. I'm glad you asked that question because she reminded me about a slide that I wanted to show, which will not answer your question completely. But I think it's extremely important from the point of view of post transfusion hepatitis, and that is in this last slide, and there are now several groups who have observed us Here. We have a group of 204 transfused patients. This is from an article by Dr. Prince and his colleagues. I was published in Lancet in 1974. At our meeting in Washington recently, a similar report appeared, and that is that these are patients who received many, many transfusions now that we have the technology to specifically diagnose B and specifically diagnose A, It was possible to do studies like this where in this group of 204 they were able to identify 15 or 7% of this group had type B hepatitis of that, they did serial determinations so that they know about an electorate as well as it Eric. 47% were victory. The incubation period was typical for Type B 10 weeks. This is the peak trans am in 8s and the duration of the trans am in eight. The interesting thing is, is that twice as many There were 36 or 18 who had hepatitis, also after a relatively long incubation period who clearly did not have Taipei and did not have type. So that here we have a situation of post transfusion hepatitis, not a not big. What is it, is it? See, I really don't know, and I think before we label it as see, it will be important to carry out studies and animals and other studies. But it's very clear that now that we are progressing from commercial donors to voluntary donors and now that every sample of every unit of blood is tested for energy, it's been obvious in recent years that hepatitis B is not going to be very much of a problem. As far as post transfusion hepatitis, It will become less and less. It will be a lot less than 7%. And if you go exclusively to volunteer donors and if you continue to test as you have to, of course, because it's mandated, the likelihood is that in the future most of the hepatitis will be in this particular category, which is neither a nor B. Now they look for cytomegalovirus and herpes simplex virus and others, and they rule that out. So this is one factor for a second or a third attack, I believe the other thing that we have to realize is this is that there are persons who may have type B hepatitis who never recovered. They may have a have an asymptomatic anti terror infection, the Trans Am in aces. They're abnormal. But even though they have no symptoms trans am in eights maybe well over 100 not only for a year but for two years, three years or even four years. And it is conceivable that in persons like this, whatever the excitement factor may be that this subclinical as far as symptoms type of hepatitis, could conceivably be activated into an overt type of hepatitis. My guess is that that is another possibility. But I think I think there may be many, many factors involved because it is true that it is possible for some persons to have many, many attacks of hepatitis. If you review your experience with this, you'll find that this experience of more than three or four attacks of hepatitis has been predominantly associated in drug addicts. When you leave the drug addict and you study the non drug addict population, it is extraordinarily unusual to have hepatitis more than twice. And I think that to my feeling is that as far as the kind of hepatitis that we deal with the two major causes, and my impression will always be A and B as far as post transfusion, it's obvious that there's something else. And then we have the recurrences, relapses or what you want to call it? Time for one more question. Hey, why this come up, right? Mhm Uh, there's this very funny discrepancy of the development of the antibodies to the surface component in that it seems to take seven months. There may be a relation to chronic carriage. Uh, is this a matter of our ability to detect them the sensitivity of the technique? Or do you think it's real that it would take seven months for an antibody to come up To an infectious agent? It's a mixture of factors. No one. There's no question about the fact that there is a delay. It seems to be related in some patients to the declining as the antigen declines. And once the antigen is no longer detectable, the likelihood of having antibody to the surface Is, uh, that appears now, if you review many, many patients who have been followed, you'll find that some developed antibodies to the surface engine within 1-2 months. Many don't get it for another for 4-6 months, it now becomes apparent that some that we believed had no antibody when we took the specimens out of the deep freeze and tested them by radio. You know, I say the antibody was there in low level, but when it reached a significantly a significant level, then we were able to detect it by passive human coordination. Because even following patients prospectively, at least in our experience, we can only detect antibody and about 80% of those who have clear cut type B hepatitis A year or so later, when we test them, only 50% have antibody. Now, I know from our experience that that that some of those who lost their antibodies subsequently get their antibody again when they've been exposed to someone they sort of re infected. They have no symptoms and they get a boost so that I think you've answered the question. It's the sensitivity of the test when the antibody level is too low. If you use Ph a passive hemagglutinin nation, I say you may not detect antibodies if you use radio. Um, you know, I say you made detective, And we also know from studies that were carried out in the 1950s by various investigators, and it is possible to actually transmit hepatitis, whether it be blood transfusion or whatnot. When you go back in retrospect and study these serum specimens. The patient who received the blood got hepatitis. But the material that was tested was negative, even by radio amino acids, so that the susceptible human being is a much more sensitive indicator of whether there is or is not virus there. And you have to have enough material enough energy in there in order to detect it. Mhm. Thank you very much. Dr Krugman, for coming to Emory again. Yeah, Grady Memorial Hospital. This is the Georgia Regional Medical Television Network