PUBLIC HEALTH LABORATORY SERVICE (Directed by the Medical Research Council for the Ministry of Health) Telephone: COLINDALE 7041 (8 lines) COLINDALE AVENUE, Telegrams: DEFENDER, NORPHONE, LONDON. Lonpon, N.W.9. 10th February, 1953. Dear Dr. Lederberg, I must apologize for not having written before to thank you for your letters of the 5th and 23rd January and the attached Summary of the paper by lirs. Lederberg and yourself on "Genetic Studies of lysogenicity in Escherichia coli", The impressive collection of reprints has also arrived safely. I am rather slow in writing letters and, in addition, I waited a few days to have some of the old cultures ready for despatch before writing to you. Naturally, I studied the contents of your two letters with great interest and very much enjoyed some of your remarks. I must edmit that I do not feel competent to follow you into the vast realm of genetics, but somehow I feel entitled to dislike and distrust Luria's "parasitism at a genetic level", To my simple mind it eppears that what heppens at this level are reactions that will be clarified one day by enzymologists rather than by virologists of the type I knew in the older generation. I know I shall not live long enough to witness this development. On the other hand, your ow work end that of your school is advancing so rapidly that I seem to have a good chance of reading one day that the parasite theory of bacteriophege is untenable. I do believe that the only basis on which bacteriophages may be “specific self-reproducing units which form part of the genetic make-up of the bacterium", is the one assuming that they ere "endogenous products of the bacterial cell." I do not believe that "the question of endogenous vs. exogenous devolves mostly on e question of how long ago" (see page 2 of your letter), or that there is any tfurther evolution of phage into a more independent organism" (see page 3 of your letter). You will appreciate, therefore, thet I wes Celighted to read the last paragraph of your letter of the 5th January, where you discussed the results of the recent work on phege lambda by irs. Lederberg and yourself. I feel on more familier ground on turning to the various points relating to serology and antigenic enalysis, which you heve raised in your letters. 1). Reversion from 0 variant to 0+ H verient in strain 0 901. - It was certainly a surprise to me to learn thet the cultures of strain 0 901 which you received from Keuffmann and Boulgakov readily revert to the 0 + H form, It is true that in my own laboratory O veriants of any organism hendled, ere, es a rule, maintained on ary agar slopes plates, free from water of condensation, to avoid encouragement of development of H entigen. Eowever, since this strain has been first recommended for use in the "Qualitative Serum Diagnosis of Enteric Fevers" (Lancet, 1930, 1, 505), it has been distributed to many workers throughout the world by the Netional Collection of Type Cultures or by myself, end I have not heard before of its reverting to the parent form H 901. I enclose a reprint of a peper on the "'Stendardization of Diagnostic Agglutination Tests", published in the Bull.World Hlth Org., 1950, 2, page 643, which I had not sent you before. On page 645, line 1, you will find the following statement: "(2) in most laboratories throughout the world the suspensions for the estimation of TO end BO agglutinins are now mede from cultures of the permenent O variants of the two special strains recommended for the purpose by Felix (1930)." In this country the suspensions distributed by the Oxford Standards // Laboretory were made for more than ten years from broth cultures of these two strains; nevertheless, reversion to the 0 + H variant hes not been observed (see also Felix & Gardner, Bull.Hlth. Org. Lo.N., 1937, &, on page 234). I sent you today by ordinary airmail a parcel containing duplicate Lemeo stab cultures of the two streins H 901 end 0 901. The cultures were specially prepared from the oldest stock cultures evailable and ere labelled as follows: 0 901 No,l derived from old Lemco stab culture dated 18.9.1935 0 901 No.2 derived from old Lemco stab culture dated 1.2.1938 H 901 No.1 derived from dried culture dated 56.1936 H 901 No.2 derived from old Lemco stab culture dated 24.2,.1937 I took the precaution of going back to the oldest aveilable stock cultures because you are employing these strains in experiments with various bacteriophages, and I wanted to make sure that the cultures have not been accidentally exposed to any bacteriophages in my laboratory, where bacterio- phage work dié not start until 1940. I shall be very interested to hear whether these two cultures of 0 901 can readily be made to revert to the O+ H variant. 2). Anti-O phages - I am afraid you will find the information I am going to give you on this subject rather disappointing. The source of this disappointment is Kauffmann's wrong teaching.