June 6, 1956 Dr, Norman Horowitz Galtech Pasadena 4, Calif, Dear Norman: Thank you for your letter of the 4th. It is not hard to see why the penicillin-sensitive strains are gone, but I hoped you might have fept the collection of temperature-mitants that you and Leupold har amassed, in which some of the p.-s. strains are included. I am not sure I made this clear; the strains are cited in Rowley's paper. I will write to Rowley if you think he is beck in Lomion. As to your counter-comments, I wish we could do this in extenso, in person, because we could spend Mays exchang&ng letters. I am sure you will compensate for the circumstanges under which my comment was prepared; the written version follows the transcript rather closely, and did not have the benefit of the transcripts of the principal's remarks. For that reason, the "critijue" that I felt was expected of me had to be directed at what I undereteod as a general background of discussion one the 1:1 theory, plis whatever specific remarks of your own I could assimilate on the spot. I am aorry if I have misattributed views to you that you do not share (ani am pleased to see the very large agea that wea agree on.) On rereaiing my account, it does no’ seem that any specific statements were attribute! to you, and ay criticisms were certainly ingended to be directed a& what I consider a rather generalised erroneous formulation, and not to any personalities. The idea of a gene making an enzyme is stated fairly explicitly in a number of older papers (Beadle-Chem Rev 45; Tatum & Beadle Jann Mo Bot Gard 467; PNAS 1941;) and while Emerson these may no longer be representative cf your own views, you have to take account of the usual cultural lag. The main point I want to stress is that the real answers on mechanisms of gens-enzpme relationships are not likely tc come from genetic experiments. I am afraid that I am at fault for evoking part of your criticism by overlooking a typographical error until just now. At p. 167, line 6 up, my ms. had read fexperimentally indefeasible", but I missed the error in proof, so it's zy own fault. I don't know whether the correct version is more congenial to you; it should be more intelligible. I was not terribly clear about the different levels on which the theory can be used. As a purely empirical matter, one can ask whether there are any apparent enzyme-pleiotropisms; there are quite 2 few in ™. coli, and you have contributed some yourself, but the axperimants you and Yanofsky cited sean to be the first concertec afforts to Bind specific examples in Neurospora. But at a deeper level, the theory 1s indefeasible because you could always explain away any exceptions by considering them to be secondary effects: inhibitors: quantitative levels, ete. Here we are in agreement, that the only plausible way to do genetic experiments ia to assume a single prdmary effect: in fact why don't just go ahead and postulate an ultimate unit of function which we can call a "phystological gene" regardless of its behavior in recombinatdional and mutational analysis. It would be impossible to disprove such a postulate. I do not consider that the evikience favors identifdcation of the "physiological" gene with the units of crossing-over or of mutation, and it is misleading to promulgate the theory in such a form as to encourag& the expectation that mutations with a given physlologicsl effect mst be allelic, or that mutations with manifold effects must be separable into physiological units by ercssing-over. In view of your own couments, I am obviously beating a dead horse, execpt that there are some biochemist who still doen't know that yet. Af not by developmental analysis. Sincerely, Joshua Lederberg