eats the development of specific biological weapons. As to whether their advice is helpful, as to whether the Committee is having any influence unfectncel, this is a question you'll have to ask me a couple of years from now about the time my tenure on the Committee is over because I simply don't know now, Again perhaps Dr. Romig who has been on the Committee longer can answer that. Starting out to make up some notes for this meeting I tried to start at the beginning and examine the general question of the relation of the individual and the Society to biological warfare and I came up with some very simple questions, They may seem simpleminded but I don't think the answers to them are at all simple. We could start out from the very beginning and what is the involvement of the individual microbiologist in biological warfare. Involvement is a very popular worl’ now. I wonder if Wa? Wee ing it correctly so I looked it up in the dictionary. I think I aay am because the definition of to involve" is "to draw ina participant." Ldcth general I think this is what we're talking about. Where we have +nvoivements as human beings its because we are microhiologists and scientists and we can't forget that we're still human beings. We have special professional involvements as microbiologists. Because by virtue of his professional training, microbiologists should) better able than most to evaluate the pros and cons of biological warfare. I wonder how seriously we take this hoor nach henewerlhe responsibility.. For example have we done? How many of you here have read We Wen! wos Gen. Rothschild"s book? How many of you have read Mkewe review in the Annual Review of Microbiology? This is a horrible thing to tell to vi wat: an author, but I had read your book a few weeks ago. I got it out of the A University Library and I could tell by the charge card that I'm the only person that had taken it out of the library. I don't think this is an indictient | of Gen, Rothschild's, book. I,.think it is an. indictment. of the scholarly .. community at the University of Chicago that takes no more interest in eo ge e ARS Anybk ae the subject than to try to get at some of the basic facts. +4 (ne The second thing is he has a special involvement because it is the application of his research and the research of his colleagues both present and past that makes biological warfare possible. I think few of us inxaux are in any position to disavow this, to say but my research has nothing to do with biological warfare. I think almost all microbiological research has something to do with biological warfare because unfortunately all the problems of biological warfare apf intertwined in a fery complex way with the problems of understanding and controlling infectious disease. The most fundamental answers in microbiological are likely to be the ones with the most unsettling consequences. It has always been a pet peax thesis pfkxyane of mine that the great recent advances in biology and mak microbiology are not in any way being applied to understand an infectious disease, That if for example, we really wanted to make a major effort we should be able to come up with the genetic basis of virulence. And the possibilities of what would Rappen if we did make this sort-ef effort are the sort of things that Dr. Lederberg was talking about earlier this afternoon. The second thing that we really ought to examine is as microbiologists what is the real range of our attitudes towards biologicalweapons. tedew in his review points out that there is what he calls a distribution of attitudes towards the weapons. He contrasts the two sides: thoseé who feel biological weapns are the most humane of all and those are filled with the moral indignation and repugnance at their very mention. Of course inbetween there is a middle ground! that depends on all sorts of judgments, To neame only one, how much research and development is needed for preparedness against biological warfare, One {Aculd go on and on. I suspect we have a rather disjointed spectrum of opinions about biological warfare and about VW. : h different. questions about. biological.warfare,...1!11.come back, to tne wd importance of this in a minute. Then we have to ask ourselves the question what can we do about it as individuals. We could ignore it. I fini that hard to do with an easy conscience. I assume simply by your presence here this afternoon you are of the same opinion. You wouldn't be here otherwise. But I feel a great many people who shouldn't be ignorigg the question are ignoring it. The second thing he could try to do something abott it. But we all know that it is fruitless and frustrating to have views and opinions s, a on something if we can't make these views and opinions knownsome effective A hich peuvef, ata way. Unless a microbiologistg ss a particularly eminent person he is very unlikely to have any influence x# at all on policies governing preparation for biological warfare. That brings us inevitably to the real question. That is whatis the tnyolvemeat Miu society is-invetred. As the only braogly based biological society in this A country its involvement in a sense is # collective involvement of all its members, It can't ignore biological warfare and all the problems and issues that come with it any more than its individual members can, But it has equally difficult and somewhat differfiet problems in doing something about it. Then we come to what can the ASM do about biological warfare. What are the problems in the Society taking action? The question of whether 1 feta ty? any free Society whether it be a scientific society or a University or Own so forth should take collective position on any issue. That is should the Society"s stand on ang issue be determined by majority vote? Thés ; aj wor Yow Lau AL Question was brought up last spring at our general business meeting. Can Cuan wih Ak A this be done without violating the rights of the, minorities. , The Universigy of Chicago we have had a long and continuing discussion of this. Can a University take a stand on an issue or not? There is no answer to it. Then one could ask is any unanimous collective position on biological pei «I don't know, we'll just have to find out. warfare is possible? Let us say suppose %X collective position is possible. ° no Can the aN vee eee 5 a. {woke Can the ASM ask the Society still influence biological See, how? A Woe I think one clear niay is to foster and stimulate open discussion such “pe vt as this. al don't know. One would then ask is the presently constituted Advisory Committee the proper instrument for this Society to influence La Cw policy. Then we come to such questions, and I know this will-influence alot of your minds, is the existence of the present committee to be interpreted as a collective action endorsing the present biological warfare policy or is it a collective action acknowledging the existence of biological warfare potentiality adn the inevitable involvement of Ww any microbiological society with these problems. ‘he en's ore. oged frown a Aaved of, ¢ cur Wlerern A-quotation from Gen. Rothschild's book for the Hravard Crimson / in which the question is brought up "Does contemplation of a catastrophe necessarily mean edueation of it?" I think this is part of the question. Finally, what are the alternatives? What can the Society do? eck First it can retain the Committee at its present level of function, , I / would suspect this would mean no real policy role for the ASM. Give me two years and I'll give my real opinion on it; this is a prediction. I don't see how as presently constituted with all due respects to present and past members how it is likely to influence policy very much if for no o other reason than it has no place to feed in any opinions it might have. We could discharge the Committee and thke no other action. I think this would not hurt the biological warfare effort at all because I believe there is no doubt that they could independently of society get the same once a year expert opinion even from the same people that they did before. If no other is taken then the society is ignoring all the questions and a - he problems relating to biological warfare, Mr. Galbraibh would say we a will have lost contact. It is necessary for the Society to decide whether aN it wants to lose contact. -We could expand the present Committee function e S donk jccer to include policy, but how? We could set up some other instrument or ASM mn A. . - nm ots eee we ee PR ae Re A Ee a action ‘againskxwhat instrument and ‘how would it work? . fr ‘ poe ~ 9 ute te- awd uct, wt on Cond eal are tyhorlition . Let's look at the situation in the broadest possible cntext. The Advisory Committee of the ASM is not the problem. It is merely the instrument that is served to remind us of our own personal involvement as scientists, microbiologists, as persons, the involvement of the Society in all the problems arising from the clear posibility of infectious agents being used as weapons. The real problem is what to do about this involvement. This involvement is going to stay with us whetheryou ‘keep the Committee, whether we change it, or whether we do away with it entirely. Dr. Romig: In the man main I would agree with what he said. I think it was overstated just a little bit that our Committee members do not have any feed in at all. I'd say that we don't have the amount of feedin that one would like to have, ‘For instance, the Committee writes a report to formerly it was a commanding General of Edgewood Arsenal and now it is ~ to the scientific director of Fort Detrick since some type of administrative reorganization went on. I had explained to me in great detail kkak at one meeting of about 40 different organization lines that I have forgotten. ax The report is fubmitted and is read because occasionally some of the very f specific types of recommendations are acted upon. But the type that I'm referring to how are more proceedural types of recommnedations. At least Qa weeks hate the report is read but whether broader have been written a i upon ax acted , AUPE Y donk kee, Panel discussion: Dr. Marr: A question Dr. Romig: with in the bounds of security is it possible mall. (J --to-provickus: with some examples of the sorts-of magnums on which the ~~ aoe a me ee Committee gives its advice now to the civi$ian director of the Army Biological Laboratorres? DR. Romig: part As Dr. Moulder pointed out the major,of the advice that is given betes tacts Th } Qo Wek!) tha wee et Qak ep th acderce oes : : : * Aen are specific questions from laboratory scientists, There is a group 3 bast, enc’ ose, au eh ay wrbuse She row that works on B,. subtilus and the phages of the B, subtilus and I happen A ‘ to be qquainted with some of those problems. And the major part of my time at Fort Detrick is discussing the day-to-day problems xhax talking over the research that they have done, I'm sure that is the so of the other members of the panel.that go back there to ei etp to the people at Fort Detrick depending on your area of interest and presumed experte... vf CE that you are shunted off to one or another lab; in which you would be i wet A uo interested in talking about. But now additionally to that ther are almost always is a presentation by one of the branchchiefs on the work, the literal overall work that is bing done at that partaicular branch, and occasionally that would be security type material in the sense that before the talk starts you are specifically told that this comes under security purruw’ The other typesof talk: we have they let you know that there is no security involved at all, But there are certain very firmly distinct areas xk in which you are told that this is a security area. Of ocurse that either does, or potentially would have something to do with the weaponry of biological warfare. Crt ~ & gee 7 pote ste ey or. ox s Rug k mR 4 we Le A Ca, Dr. Marr: Does the annual report to the civilian director concern itself primarily with the kind of questions you put in the first category, scientific advise not subject to security or does it concern itself primarily with the second category, those aspect of policy or items which are for one reason or another in the category of security? -«Dr.- Romig: Dr. Romig: I'd say it is fairly well mixed. Some of the committees before I was appointed to this particular committee, for instance, pointed out that they felt that the level of intensity of effort there was much below what it should be.| Whether or not they thought what they were being hired aa to do they were doing well, xWhet hexxmxxmakxkhexxkhonghexother reports would consider whether a particular area is represented in depth as one thinks it should it. For instance certain physiological areas were considered weak and that they should be strengthened. Now those would be more policytype of décisions, Other things that are carried into the woo WiC gacepe report is the fact that there i# not an electron available in a particular area in which its use certainly was indicated and it was specifically te nove Any Wedinimey requested that for this type of research they-have-a-need—fer an electron would (e woz microscope. I would like to sum it up by saying the report contains any kind of inofrmation that the Committee thinks would be useful to the commanding General or to the potenti fic director and which if acted upon . i = would make the scientific, more useful there at Fort Detrick. Question: “Rt ACCcn eX Move. Do you feel that the existence of this Committee implies approbation by the national organization of ASM on the activities carried out by the Army Biological Laboratory? Do you think there is implicit in the ian wee eg ett approbation by the National asm? Cad paras: nec Oe Cemiens ae 6 . Maw? mt apes oem ae Dr. Romig: Weou work yet Ww perdonal Cforcen? Je ULI? Conelrittng eae a Through my experience on the Committee I didn't notice ax any data % relate! to that. I have gotten an impression that the existence of the Committee through the ASM does have an official sanction for Fort Detrick, somewhat similar to what Dr. Moulder said, and some of my colleagues at UCLA, that the two were somewhat xgex linked to ether Lur{ y+ Bid wrt pT het nny meg sad chy aw he usorke Fei Lone oo Dr,—Rothschitd+ tha Cowe wectticgY Gen Be. Rothschild: I would just like to make one Achment so my credibility doesn't seem to be too badly damaged. Dr. Moulder mentinned that they met once civilian a year with the Chemical Corps. When I was speaking of our, scientific te A advising committees, I was not only ~f the Advisory Committee of the ASM, We have other civilian advisory committees which meet much more often than that. question: Da. A.T-CRode do How are those constituted and how axe those committees stack up in importance to the research and development effort Vy a v9 te ASM Come yrs a? Dr. Rothschild: @. thacugl I believe those committees are selected in conjunction with consultation with well-known scientists and institutions outside. But I think they are designated by the approactfand then after acceptance designated by the Chemical Corps ADetinale . Some of these committees meet alot more often. But it is not only the committee meeting. For instance one of our major committees, I forget nito- what the title ¢s, met about every other month, But_they would get _ the members of the committee in to consult with our workers in their field of particular qualification. So they saw them more often than the regular meetings of the committee. They would come in for general briefings at these every-other-month meetings. Question: Qa. AmCRak Bould you consider that their activities were crucial for the functioning sot the research and development? Dr. Rothschild: Very definitely. Question: “Da. A vw Cale. To Dr. Moulder and Dr. Romig: do you consider that the function of the Advisory Committee are equally crucial to the research and development efforts of the Army?in chemical and biological warfare? Dr. Moulder: I would say that if it is to function as an expert advisory committee Sar WD does and do it efficiently, it would have to have more contact with . I have had some experience consulting with the Chemical Corps, and with Yrave industrial firms. If you are going to be an effective consultant you are geing-to~have to concern yourself with a fairly small area and get to know the people involved and the program. I think what the ASM committee a is getting is a sort of general overall view. I don't believe that more than that can be gotten in a once-a-year visit. Sac ae the Shee. Question: Gow Retho Aikd ? Is this a function of the desires of the ASM committee or Detrick? Dr. Moulder: I don't know.( Probably more of the Committee. } re Dr, Romig: f\ Going back there once a year isn't an Bansxnusx onerous task, They Ss have all kinds of trouble as Dr, Maulder probably knows thaxxaxaas igning one date a year and I don't know what you woyld do if you had to do that every month. If it were going to be done effectively, I have been back now a total of five days in three years and I don't probably know anything more about biological warfare than Dr. Moulder does since he has read the book. | BR wth. fynusk Grud? Detrick has several hundred Ph.D.'s. I did read am-annual review. And it A is a very large operation and you just can't learn that operation in a day and a half xax a year. Since I'm not terrifically interested in biological > wet . warfare » that is not why I'm on the Committee. I wasn't selected because I was interested in it or knew anything about it--I didn't and I still don't know very much. But in a day and a half a year you just can't learn too much about it. Exeectty at the other end of the microscope we spend two- VW thirds of the time at least working with one group--the genetics group in my case and that in itself tends to limit your overall view of what's going on. Although they do make an effort to have a briefing of the one entire committee at least once a year on ohe segmant but I haven't been on it long enough to get the entire picture yet and I forget from futur one year to the next the details was given. So I would say it is of ad timkken limitéd usefulness.since you can't do the“kind of, job you do for an industrial firm unless you meet fery ofter. cnet: aM Ge aan, ond Ak nome telah al The met od of selection of the membership of the Committee, I mean in a formal sense, not how specific individuals were chosen as a member of the committee as opposed to six other people. But what is the policy of selection of membership of the Committee Advisory to the Army Biological woth, Laboratory in, our Society? Dr. Moulder: It is the same as all committees. The president-elect of the Society Dinwnis Web asted me aks, asks- the chairman of the committe for nominations for the committee. I understand that in the past that these nominees have been selected by the zak chairman of the committee in consultation with the scientific director at Fort Detrick. These names are then sent to the president- elect who appoints all the committees and from this list he gets new members of the committee just as in other committees done by regular Society action. Most committees are essentailly self-perpetuating. Question? Vr. UlenrG. Marr, May I ask if you get any experience, the degree to which the director of the Army Biological Laboratory participates in the selection of Committe members? Dk ate ee the. (theck tebe Dr. Youllan + Ucu well hawt ashe Da, Rents, Tat vn rn ‘ rath ‘ «Pp CONEE Dr. Romig: d= could ARLE wow hak after the 25% of, New te CR One year he was fairly well involved, he was also president of the Society. But my recollection is that during that year he did not make any appointments because of the fact that he didn't wax the propriety involved. Dr. Moulder: It is my guess he would leave this up to the Society knowing Dr. as a person I can't conceive of kgm trying to influence the Committee. Dr. Romig: No, it is pretty much up to the Committee. Question from the féoor: D0 Lecomte me hows farm . . hag becat ae 7 et “The question has bern nanied oth constitution of the committee 4 One characex Mut teristic of the members of the committee domt® share that skaxdistinguish them from all other committees of the Society, however those other committees 7 __ ‘______—s this committee is composed of microbiologists who have C crtirn~of a security clearance Yliy Qraves etc (er enebiologists in the country who for whatever reason xa can't a a security clearance. This sufficient reason alone is a dafxsienk one to urge the disengagement of the Society from this kind of activity. Dr. Moulder? Would you urge complete disengagement or would you urge a different sx sort of Society Committee? Questioner: _ 8 - ; _ ; e& : ‘ ultecc . A G : . Given the ways haw a atrwalfec society are constructive in this country, that is ptiwong the ASM as the kind of organization that the business of propagating microbiology, running an annula meeting, publishing a journal, and recognizing how xxx Befectivenasx it is in most basic discussion of political issues 9 would recommend complete sixmisxakxandxdisengagement of the Society from thisbusiness. Dr. Moulder: . UwRO MyM I would-bring-up another point. I wouldn't look to the Academy of Microbiology for stepping into the vacoum, It would be particularly ineffective in doing it. I think if microbiologists are going to in any way a : . influence public policy through xxx society its going to have to be the ASM \ because it is the really only effective broadly representative microbio- logical society, Dr. Clark: I think there is a disagreement here, and I think that the disagree- ment stems on whether the Society should be responsible to the Army in this kind of relationship whether it has an advisory committee or a committee by some other name or whether its responsibility ought to be directed elsewhere. Perhaps to the scientific community as a whole or perhaps to the public or to some other agency rather than the US Army. Dr. Moulder: I've raised the question of other types of involvement completely braodgy without any restrictions. Dr. Clark: May I take the Chair's perogative to point ak out at this point that there is I think one other difference between this committee and other committees of the ASM. It is connectéd with the security clearance Asc, That ifLI believe that there is no other committee of the ASM which does not report its conclusions of its deliberations to the Society, This committee as I understand it reports to the technical director of Fort Detrick and does not report its conclusions to the Society and I would point this out as being one major difference. Dr. Moulder: A report is written about the committee's activities that goes into the Newsletter. Dr. Clark: Yes but the conclusions of its deliberations are not publicised to the Soceity. Dr. Moulder: Yes, this is true. Let me phrase another question. This has been Suggested to me, it is not original. Suppose a committee could be constituted in which the question of security clearance did not arise. Suppose it could be constituted in such a way that the committee did not have to have a security clearance and the committee could make a 4 Cork Pr Medd. d doh am Ors bf full report of what it aia? Savisory to the army. , What is your mae reaction to that? You woul acela- dels ot Oe drteats rf how-ths © Seah to it would b hy ble and practical bet bl . reac ion oO i wou e esira e an rac ica im ossi e€. Qa gstes ve” A aw P I would assume thata committee like this simply woyld simply not have in Che fot wiotrce mors Wher, abeuk & fu, pat fated: access, to anything of any interest te Fort Dittck ion erteccb. Ww een sthatical aot be Routh. Dr. Clark: hay whet DIunk yeure driving To rephrase, would such a committee be acceptable to Fort Detrick? Have you any information on that? Dr. Moulder: igercly bing E it u evades any strings attached. I wanted to see kam I, brought thie * —dunle ak ow people einen ae Questioner: Are there any other committees of the ASM which are in fark effect vetoed as to their composition by an outside agency? - — Dr. Moulder: No. I'm pretty sure this is the only one. Question” The important thing is not whether or not Th Commncttiz bros camsy aihatentive LYELL) or attacked to the operation of Fort Detrick but what the editor of the Chicago Maroon thinks it does because that is the image amd it seems to me that Ad wre he. — / A fr - Athere is no way to cmmmunicate the fact that © Nery undated fedtery Sleta ef cf AAte) , Is there any reason for tha rae doh GS Society to transmit their own view Quy Levene Preceny st sr aby or umforsrdohik, ely ashi, jap responsive to the committee so that 290 URS the committee will bexxrasapxixe, A to the membership of the Society Go Q lapel ph Dr. Moulder: I presume the proper way to act is as this branch did last spring. I mean instruct its counselor to the council to bring up apy matter a it desires to do.sp. This is the appropriate way of action. I think bringing up anything individually or on the floor of a general business Meeting is likely not to get anywhere. The power structure of this society is through the Council, So I think if you are really going to do anything you have to sork with t e council, Where you start is at local meetings like this. That's why I'm here because atl Sy not » TORT to Che agree with all of wee hur , constructive way to go about finding out what we really want to do about it. I don't think it has ever been discussed before, Question; 7 Ws « it is‘Our — tak ourcopinion-of Feit | kxRuX opinion 2% not-what Detrick wants. it is just basic information I think the committee Uy be Aer, Sroned® with AGE MO WIR Cou & aQquet aD Q. oun oF i) te ho Com ke, Py Foil Ditch Roo nor dtireck Ara. Wheat tag wast & wht > ” Prous re seems to me from one of the comments made by Dr. Moulder about the 2 s ee responsibility of the Scoeity and involvement. The concern of | and of SDS and of us on matters of public policy with respect to BW it doesn't fit at all with the committee whose functions are those we heard described by the Chairman and the members of the committee. It seems kha to me that the existence of this comneeee sid indeed conveys a smnse of approbation by the Society on these activities and that the committee ptructured as it is and reporting to the persons to whom it reports offers no real possibilities even if we were to communicate with our committee of alternate public policy. It is the urons level in my opinion. Dr. Clark: ~ Could you suggest a level upon which the Society might work to alter public policy? —Questioner: Tr. Wor .It seems to me that we are suggesting that the Society should have Wve akadka Rivelot, an i i rd h, the National Security-Council. By some means. But the trickle-up philosophy of making public policy is a very nwerk abe one. wey op intomn Dr. Moulder: This is what I was talking about when I said we didn't have any feed in here. Anyone familiar with the military hierarchy, there are as many layers as there are peels on an onion. You can get completely frustrated in trying to work your way up. I think one thing xx might be possible and I did bring that up. Is any statement on policy possible by the Society? Can anyone come up with a statement that the Society is willing to back? This has never been explored before. Dr. Clark: Dr. Lederberg raised an issue which I will use my perogative to bing up at this point and that is the question of whether the Society can take a policy stand is not particularly appropriate. The point is can it take an initiative to insure control and to insure the publication afx or information access by the scientific community to the activities of the research and development on biological warfare. I don't believe that any such initiatéve through the aiding of private groups such as the Pugwahh conference or through the medium of the publicity such as the Annual Reviewsof Microbiology that I don't believe that such activities by the Committee would constitute a policy position. 7 Questioner: ‘ — a) roe tC” Nn ae eam cme en ee a ance ae _ I think it is least conceivable that we could urge Coven ci €or upon our Gourmet] to be presented at the national meeting the essence of the Vane by policy that Dr. Lederberg is urging, mainly “thatwhy should the Society use waitin. itlen that scientific activity as resulting only in the publication AAET oe of the information that is learned, And would therefore give no sanction 60 activities that require secrecy and security clearances and this would involve the abolition of this particular committee. And we would urge that the matter of public policy of biological warfare in the area in which this Society has some expertise using this area of professionla competence that this be subject to changes in the legal structure that would permit complete publication of all the a of Fort Detrick. I don't think'that this as a policy matter is something that the organi- zation couldn't grapple with. I'm pessimistic about what the outcome would be, I think it is a reasonable thing to urge upon our councillor to defend at the business meeting. Dr. Wyatt: I would like to suggest that maybe the Society would perhaps be amenable ar to, diametrically opposed point of view as regards the Committee than you have but which might also serve the purposes that you proposes and Dr. lederberg mentioned much better. It seems at this time through some strange set of circumstances that this Society is uniques in having such a committee. This committee is potentially a very powerful means for the membership expressing their feelings. Now we nominate senators and representatives to Congress. They all have security clearances. I don't think it bothers us that- they have to have security clearances. They get them even if they're not really clearable but they usually are and they are very carefully watched in this regard. All of our representatibes in very high offices in this country have security clearances. The maxn problems of security I think in biological warfare are really misinterpreted. The main problems are those of intelligence, weapon deployment, and things that are not of immediate interest to microbiologists. For microbiologists, for me at least, are what the impacts on civilization of this type of thinking. How can we influence it? Why not instruct a Committee made up of hawks and doves namely people who feel that this is a terrible type of a thing to have but nevertheless they are going to be on that Advisory Committee--that word "advisory" is kind of bad, call it a directive type of committee. On this committee, everyone has their sectirity clearance, but there are people who are opposed to biological warfare very strongly on it those who are in favor on it, and this Committee is available to the Army for advice and also consent perhaps. If the Army does not wish to accept the recommendations of the committee or include them in their confidence I think the Society is big enough and powerful enough to put pressure on the Army to listen to this committee. I think the Army has a frojan horse. If the Committee is given a little more power by the membership of the ASM this Committee may well serve everybody's purposes. I can say that 90% of the deliberations of (tthe olay the Army could easily be published. theyonatt fraction of, lasiified information that is kept from the Committee is of really I think no interest, But the Committee can be a very powerful tool and I think before the Society abandons it they ought to think of using it to promote their point of view. ete plow “Phe sway hen weds a conan aT Ne Society has a chance to really put forward ov ute Uy aboluhywat its points of view. If we abandon this committee, we will never get the Conte another such opportunity. I think we can use #2, in a great number of ways et if the membership were more actively involved. S would Gha Clear ome Rial 2 fou 7 Wut yrDoins “pire Dr. Romig: In a way $ agree with your point of view because as I say the, report Te tt wey Loe Pawel Boveutorw bot Cu nad of the Committee is read , I don't know who reads , and if the Committee A WO were instructed to pursue a certain policy and that policy were transmitted it might well have whatever effect the Society wanted to . . “Ohana But it is one way ,the Society's viewpoint thex can be transmitted directly ok feank to people who form on partly form policy and do read the report. Questioner: I think that there is one poknt thet I - could be assured in relation eis Gusts a _ b that the ASM committee could have some effect on policy carried x & Zk hod out. I think