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Interview with Norm Kretchmer on clinical research in New York
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Norman was somewhat on the fence about Gaull. He said he would
not appoint him as a scientific director of an institute but the
present role doesn't quite compete with that. He is a smart guy,has
done interesting and good work, is rather pompous. He did say that
Sinai decided not to offer him a full time position and that I could
consult Hirschorn about that. We are in competition with Albert Einstein.

Generally, Norm reenforced the view that since we are still working
out the basic philosophy of the clinical research center and our
relationships to other institutions that I should not allow myself to be
pressured into premature appointments.

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He knew nothing of Dennis B@ier and correctly pointed out that he
was obviously not yet at a level “Of maturity to be a laboratory head.

The visiting committee for the Clinical Research Center should
include a pediatrician: For example, Charley Scriven or Floyd Denny.
He himself would be willing to talk to our people about it but individually
and not as a member of a committee.

One prime candidate for an X-department head who wants to be back in
the laboratory is Al Bongiovanni who is temporarily a dean at Puerto Rico.
He mentioned Elizabeth Neufeld at NIH as one of the outstanding clinical
investigators at NIH.

He thought that Ruth KwxGgéin was doing a pretty good job as director
of her institute but she is somewhat insecure about her academic status
not having come up through those ranks herself. He thought very highly
of Ted Cooper whether on the same side of the fence or across from it.

Jim Sidbury is now the scientific director of his institute. ‘