Minutes of Advisory Committee Meeting
Universities Occupational Safety and Health Education Center

January 10, 1979 - 10:00 a.m.

Advisory Committee Members present were:

Mr. A. Barden, OSHA

Mr. P. Brennan, New York State Building Trades Council

Mr. J. Carpenter, representing Mr. S. Meyers, United Automobile Workers
Dr. G. Collings, New York Telephone & Telegraph

Dr. E. Dixon, Celanese Corporation

Dr. R. Ferrer, New York City Health Commissioner

Ms. Katy Irwin, representing Dr. A. Ahmed, Natural Resources Defense Council
Dr. L. Jaffe, New York State AFL-CIO

Senator Jacob Javits, U. 8S. Senator, State of New York

Dr. J. Lederberg, President, Rockefeller University

Ms. K. Rae, representing Congressman Andrew Maguire, State of New Jersey
Professor P. Robischon, Lehman College

Mr. G. Wilkening, Bell Laboratories

Management Committee and Center Staff present included:

Dr. I. J. Selikof£, Mount Sinai School of Medicine
Dr. A. L. Frank, " " " " "
Dr. A. Gotsch, CMDNJ

Mr. B. Greer, CMDNJ

Dr. H. Heimann, Mount Sinai School of Medicine
Ms. G. Kilburn, City College

Dr. G. Kupchik, Hunter College

Dr. R. Lilis, Mount Sinai School of Medicine
Dr. M. Lippmann, New York University

Dr. N. Nelson, New York University

Dr. J. Schneewind, Hunter College

Dr. L. Slote, New York University

Dr. E. Tichauer, New York University

After a general greeting, Dr. Selikoff gave an introduction which re~
viewed the background of a development of the various occupational,
safety and health education centers around the country. He reviewed
specifically the nature of Region II Consortium and discussed its
present status.

Dr. Dixor,4s Chairman of the Advisory Committee, gave an introduction

as tO the role of the Advisory Committee and reviewed, for example, that
London has been a center for training for the world’s occupational health,
and that perhaps it was now more appropriate to think of the potential of
New York City as a training center for the world in the areas of occupa~
tional safety and health.
Dr. Selikoff reviewed the resources available in Region II and concluded
that with the interactions developing by virtue of having the

Center present, that it could be expected that the sum would be greater
than the total of the parts in terms of providing training in the areas
of occupational safety and health. He reviewed the specific components
of the Center, those units of The City University, including Mount Sinai,
City College and Hunter College, the various components of New York
University Institute of Environmental Medicine and the Safety Center,
the components of the College of Medicine and Dentistry. .of New Jersey,
and where applicable, the sub-components of the units, such as the

three programs being present at Mount Sinai in terms of Undergraduate
Medical Education Residency Training and Post-Graduate Training. He
reviewed the start of the Center on July 1, 1978, and the hopes of the
future for expanding the Center. For example, it was specifically
mentioned that. a toxicology component from Columbia University

might be integrated into the Consortium at some time in the future.

He also reviewed that while NIOSH had initially been against research
training, they were now encouraging research training, i.e., to train people
to be able to do research in occupational health areas.

Dr. Lederberg raised concern about the possible fractionation and wall
building of the effects of work on health, and he thought that Occupa-~
tional Medicine and Health should be seen as part of the broad continuum
of health for all individuals. There was discussion and general assent
by members of the Committee.

In terms of the specific programs to be developed by the Region II Con-
sortium, it was hoped that there would be development of programs that
could be replicated at other schools within the region and elsewhere.

Mr. Brennan reviewed some concerns from his perspective, including health
and safety hazards specific problems, such as noise, the problems of
compensation and disability and the psychological effects of being in

the workplace. He also reviewed the development of a new Center sup-
ported by unions for health status review and education of union members
in the Greater New York Region. Dr. Selikoff made some additional
comments regarding the development of this new Center.

Senator Javits expressed his support for the efforts being made by the
Region II Consortium.

Dr. Dixon asked about asked about the administrative plans and program
design at the Education Center. He also inquired about the educational
policies followed throughout the Center. The background and function of
the Management Committee was reviewed at that time, and it was also

made clear to members of the Advisory Committee that each member's
institutional policies regarding awarding of degrees in curriculum and
such related matters would remain in the hands of each institution.
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There was a discussion of the funding mechanisms of the members of
the Center and it was reviewed in terms of specific financial support
from NIOSH, and sources of support for programs at these institutions
that were available outside of NIOSH funding.

Dr. Dixon asked about the relationship of the Consortium with NIOSH,
and was told that the relationship was excellent, with good surveil-
lance being given by Dr. Peter Rentos, the Liaison Officer from NIOSH.
There was discussion if it would be appropriate for NIOSH to send
representation to the Advisory Committee neetings, and this was
agreed to by those present.

There was next a program review of each component within
the Center. Dr. Ruth Lilis described the Occupational Medicine Program
at Mount Sinai, reviewing the status of the Residency Program and the
course content therein. In terms of Occupational Medicine training
needs within Region II, it was thought that the Center should make
a review of this question. Training needs in Occupational Medicine
are therefore to be looked into by the Center. Dr. Lippman then
reviewed the program at the Institute of Environmental Medicine at
New York University, and discussed the three areas of concern to him
there. These included training of medical students, which he stated
was limited. Post-graduate training, which is generally represented
in his teaching program by short courses, and graduate training in
a research-oriented program at the Doctor’s and Master's level. At
this point, Dr. Lederberg raised the concept of a "practioner degree,"
for example, something like a Doctor of Occupational Hygiene. Dr.
Lippman then reviewed again the research orientation of the programs
Dr. Slote reviewed at that point the nore practical approach
in management orientation taken by his program. In Dr. Slote's
program, which he then reviewed further, there was significant
management training as part of the curriculum, and the students
became well aware of what the business world is like. There was
some discussion of the need of tieing-in MBA*training into such a
program. Dr. Kupchik of the School of Environmental Health Sciences
at Hunter reviewed the Master's Degree Program and the development
of a Bachelor's Program in this area. Course content in his program
included Industrial Hygiene andEnvironmental and Occupational Epide-
miology. At the Master's level, there is training in occupational
ventilation safety and safety management. Also, as part of Dr. Kupchik's
program, there is an Internship in Occupational Hygiene at both the
Master's and Bachelor’s level, and he reviewed the need for more
internship sites for his students. There was also discussion of
the cooperative educational program with the Region II OSHA Office,
where undergraduate students may work up to six months with OSHA.
At the Graduate School level, he stated that there were about 20 new
students a year, half of them in Industrial Hygiene. He also reviewed
the development of continuing education courses. This prompted the
discussion on the general question of recruitment of students and of
the possibility of training members of trade unions in the area of
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review of the development of his program and reviewed the Master's and
Doctoral level work in Safety and Safety Management. He mentioned how
his Industrial Hygiene Lab interfaced with the program of Dr. Lippman's,
and he reviewed the plans to establish a Bachelor's Program in part

to meet industrial needs in this area. He thought that such a Bachelor's
Program would tie-in with two year prograns presently available at com
munity colleges. This led to a general discussion of the role of safety
thinking in the training of engineers, and the Advisory Committee then
discussed the role of safety training for engineers, and thought that
this would be an area of major concern. There were discussions how
relationship may develop with Cooper Union and other engineering schools.
Dr. Tichauer then reviewed his Program in Ergonomics within the Center
for Safety. He discussed the Master's and Doctoral Programs, and how
the development of the Consortium has greatly benefited ergonomics.

Ms. Kilburn reviewed the Program in Occupational Nursing and gave a
background as far as occupational health nursing practitioners in the
United States at present. She stated that there were about 20,000 prac—
tioners of occupational health nursing, with an average age of 50,

and an average preparation of three years at the diploma level. She
reviewed the program at City College at the Baccalaureate level and
development of a program at Hunter College at the Master's level. She
spoke of the baccalaureate level, of an elective course, which is being
greatly oversubscribed, in the area of occupational health nursing.

There was additional discussion of the status of occupational health
nursing in the United States. With regard to occupational health
nursing, Mr. Brennan raised the question of training of members from

the Union ranks. There was also discussion of what would happen to
Bachelor of Science graduates, and what opportunities would be available.
It was hoped that some would go on for Master's level training. There
was some discussion of the question of ethics in the area of occupational
health nursing, and the role of nurses in health prevention. Dr. Gotsch
then reviewed the extension program at CMDNJ, and how this unit was to
function as a communication center for the Education Center in Region II.
She reviewed the responsibilities of coordination in the upcoming planned
meetings that will be sponsored by the Consortium. She reviewed the de-
velopment of a Newsletter, and how this would function as an information
resource within the Consortium.

There was general discussion of the field of occupational safety and health
and Dr. Selikoff specifically asked and encouraged that any suggestions of
members of the Advisory Committee were to be communicated to him.

It was agreed that minutes of all Management Committee Meetings, past and
future, would be sent to members of the Advisory Cozmnittee.

It is anticipated that the next meeting of the Advisory Committee will
take place in June, 1979.

visory Committee Meeting was adjourned at 1:00 p.m.
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Arthur L. Frank, M.D., Ph.D.

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