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JOSHUA LEDERBERG

PASSIDENT
Thiirsday morning 11:00 a.m. after JL's conversation with
David Packard.

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1. Packard was not too impressed with the technological
pessimism that I came across with. He thought we're going to
do deep drilling, ste, our energy problem? his own company is
not a major pollutor; and so his own bottom fSn't that much
affected by the kinds of issues that I had been talking about
with Chauncey Starr. He very promptly said the oil companies
are what we should target for interest in this area; and he men-
tioned in particular that Standard Oil of California (where he is

a member of the Board) was initiating a series of major professional

chairs and that he would be glad to do his best to try to help us

 

out. From that standpoint I should drop him a note as to what our
proposal is going to be. I told him we had been in some contact
with them, that the encouragement had been at a much smaller level,
and he said he'd be happy to do what he could about that.

He is also going to get in touch with Dick Alberding who is
in charge of their medical division at Waltham, Massachusetts and
see if there are some points of common interest there.

I told him that I didn't want to bea pest and if he really
had come to closure in a negative direction about being helpful to
us that I didn't want to continue bothering him. He said NO, he'd
be delighted if I would drop in to see him from time to time. He's

made a major commitment for the time being to an aquarium that he is

putting up somewhere in southern California. And that at some time

PERSONAL
in the future "he would like to help us out in some way".

Meantime he would use his influence at the corporate level.

He wondered if his other board relationships like Caterpillar
Tractor or Boeing could be of any help. But Caterpillar is inter-
ested in local philanthropy. Yes, he agreed that Boeing had so
many sharp swings up and down that it was not likely that they
had a well formulated policy. But if we had any other point of
connection he would be glad to reinforce it through his board
membership. He really did not seem too interested in direct
involvement in environmental matters since his
own company is doing rather well.

We had some brief discussion on some matters of defense policy:
1. in military medicine the Armed Services Medical School was
following quite a conventional track. I suggested that it was a
medical department of the Army that would be more to the point and
that perhaps under the pressure of difficulties in recruiting doctors
they could now find ways to build up more intermediary cadres of
medical service. I said I would look into that both at the IOM and
at the Defense Science Board level. It is certainly true that since
most physicians regard their career in the service as being quite
limited -- even the career line people are looking forward to early
retirement -- that in peace time the development of medical services
for the Armed Forces was going to be a subject to the civilian model.

We also talked about MX basing. His views on this question are
almost coincidental with my own and he offered me every encouragement

to see if the race track basing concept could be slowed up and more
and more sensible approaches pursued.
His contacts at SoCal are very much with Bill Haynes. And

that's probably the most important thing to pursue.

David Packard 3 really seemed more interested in our
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medical research activities than in environmental health ‘and

he should certainly be on the mailing list for our research

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