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Tuesday, November 14, 1978 iY
Memo to File - Lunch conversation with Peter Williams
on Tuesday. Se

Williams said he was rather embarrassed about the
response to the application for the renovation of Bill
Trager's lab but he felt that the Wellcome Trust ought
concentrate on those things that it can do best to the
exclusion of other possible sources of support.

I told him that I had to agree with that approach,
that I was well able to conscientiously support Reese's
application, that there were particular difficulties in
finding funds for renovation but that it would be better
to start with a more strategic approach.

After some conversation we concluded that fellowship
Support On an international and interdisciplinary scale
was probably of the utmost importance and that we would
have no difficulty in welcoming scholars from Great Britain.
He indicated that although on the faee of it it might be-
better to have a broader framework that he would like to
start with one institution and that he would welcome an
application from the Rockefeller University for the support
of a limited number of fellows to be trained in such a way
as to become the molecular parasitologist of the next genera-
tion. He is well aware that there are several laboratories

here that could receive such individuals very happily.

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I explained the problems that would arise if such
appointments were funded only with respect to the stipends
of the fellows and after some education about our financing
system he agreed that we could attach a percentage for in-
direct costs but that we could not do that and at the same
time get funds for technicians, supplies etc. I indicated
that from an institutional standpoint it would be better
to get the indirect cost funding: we could probably get
the supporting direct costs from existing research grants
from national sources.

He will expect to get from me a draft proposal outlin-
ing the kind of people that we are looking for and the
kind of product that would then result. We are thinking of
senior fellowships and we should perhaps look into what
the Wellcome Trust is already supporting in that general
direction,

We are thinking generally speaking of senior postdocs
who will have had a qualification either in basic biology
or in parasitology and would be able to come here in order
broaden their training. One of the overt side effects of
this arrangement would be to add prestige to the new disci-
pline and facilitate the careers of the selected fellows when
they return home. Apparently that is something that could not

in practice be readily worked out even as between the London

School and University College.
Williams also reminded me that Rockefeller support
had been instrumental in establishing both the London
School and the Clinical Sciences Laboratories of was it
University or Kings COllege!

At some later time we can and should consider the
extension of these ideas to candidates from third world
countries but we would be in somewhat of a dilemma to
choose those circumstances where there was a laboratory
for them to go back to.

Williams also understood the need for the laboratory
workshop arrangements having the Phage summer courses at
Cold Spring Harbor as the prototype and he will be in touch
with Ken Warren about the way in which Wellcome and Rockefeller
can get together on setting up such situations. At the very
least the Wellcome ought to support some junior fellowships
for people to attend those courses. *Perhaps that is something

that WHO and UNESCO can also get into for that matter.