Memorandum to: File

Copies to: Arthur W. Brill Dr. Gustave Nossal
John Whitehead Dr. J. Lederberg
Stuart Peerce

Subject: Conference Call with Gus Nossal

and Josh Lederberg -May.::30, 1980

Date: June 3, 1980.

From: Edwin C. Whitehead lt Z

The call didn't come through until 8:20 PM, and we
managed to talk until 9:30. Both Gus and Josh are

willing to be the acting search committee for a Director
for the Institute. Josh made it clear, and Gus and I
agreed, that the arrangements with Rockefeller should
move forward simultaneously. As far as additional members
of the search committee are concerned, they felt that we
could use Ivan, but not necessarily as a member of their
search committee to recruit candidates.

Josh did ask about Paul Marks and I suggested to him that
it would be very awkward to have Marks who it was widely
known had turned down the job, on a search committee for
his replacement. Josh accused me of feeling bruised. I
said "bruised" was perhaps the wrong word, and I thought

it was wrong, and we let it go at that. I told them that I
expected Marks to be very active and helpful in recruiting
candidates, and that seemed to settle the matter.

In discussing candidates, Gus made the point that he felt
that the person selected should be a medical scientist engaged
in biomedical research, not service, and he should have a
concern with clinical practice. He also felt that such a
person should be on the cutting edge of modern science and
probably could handle well either a program in cell differ-
entiation or the neurosciences.

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In spelling out the ideal candidate, however, Gus felt, and
I think Josh agreed, that he should be between 40 and 45 years -
of age, still working at the bench, have demonstrated a feel
for clinical problems and have an interface at what Gus
described as the nodes of science, or perhaps the points at
which the path of direction of research should be selected.

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Two.

Josh said he felt it was important that such a person be
able to enrich the environments of Sloan-Kettering, Rocke-
feller University, and Cornell. Gus and Josh then proposed
various people, as follows:

Y. W. Kan

A gentleman by the name of Wetherall
Martin Raff

Paul Berg

David Baltimore

Bernie Patashney

A gentleman by the name of Ruttle (?)
A gentleman by the name of Sidman (?)

Of this group, it was the feeling of Josh and Gus that four

of these people were outstanding and far above the others.
They were:

Y. W. Kan - between 40 and 45, originally a hematologist,
now a molecular biologist who recently made some funda-
mental discoveries in molecular biology. Josh knows him
and was very high on him as a candidate. Gus did not know
him. There was some conversation as to Gus possibly visit-
ing him on his way to or from Australia, as he is in San
Francisco.

The second candidate proposed by Gus was Martin Raff -
both a neurologist and an,immunologist who has worked
particularly with tumors’ the micro glia and monoclonal
antibodies to these tumors. He is working at University
College Hospital in London.

A third candidate that came to the top of the list was
David Baltimore who is obviously well known, a Nobel Prize
winner in his early 40s. He unfortunately had turned
down previously any interest in the Institute. However,
both Gus and Josh felt that with the new location he might
be interested.

The fourth candidate was a Floyd Bloom who is currently at
Salk Institute. Unfortunately, I don't remember what his
work is. He came highly recommended by both gentlemen.

We decided we would have a future meeting when Gus comes to
New York on the weekend of June 14th and Gus and I will meet
with Josh at 11 AM on the 16th.
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We are keeping a date at 4 PM on the 23rd for a second
meeting if that's advisable.

I have a date with Lederberg together with Stu Peerce
for purposes of preliminary negotiation for the Institute

arrangement with Rockefeller on Thursday, June 12th, at
2 PM.

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