RG Lt fli INITIALSP AE EOation of Programs Mos WY LK a a -_ ag ny -_ AG to RMP Mar,26/29 Your memorandum on Classification of Programa is excellent and in every way satisfactory as a working chart. [rom the point of view of the work in Paris I see no difficulties, but I want to be sure to avoid any confusion in relation to budgeting and to insure every possibility of Paris control rather then New York approval. Allowing the program to stand as you have its may I point out that we cannot yet make a final decision about 1) as this program is not yet decided, fe therefore have dey and do not know whether these expenditures will be handled in New York or Paris 2) Aid for leaders has not been settled yat, but in that its purpose will involve large sume, will in all probability necessitate final decisions in New York 3) Fluid research has been settled as a matter of policy sxkjenbchexappieenbredx SNSxXtrUustses; Dut here again the sums involved will probably be large. I. think you are right. in assuming that you will have little opportunity of putting this program into effect in Burope within a year or twoe When you. do reach this stage it may be advisable to have the final decisions in New York More about these things later, The immediate problem as I see it is to take your classification aad see how praesent: avptopriation totals: may be adjusted under your various heede ings for the year 1930. I refer to those appropriations which are controlled entirely by the Paris office without reference to New Yorks Fellowsh! ps--+----—-~=—3100,000 Research aide—we———- 25,000 Developmental aid TORR mame ene $275 000 These figures should be readjusted, on the basis of your plan, excluding from the Paris budget in addition to 1), 2) and 3) above the followings Es cer y r (New -” a ee ye to wee ‘ Ver Ae bwy h ope} ‘ \ : Lo ‘, rh nd 4 BMP to AG = 2 April 10, 1929 im your readjustmont of the 3°75,000 (or more or leas as you may determine the needs for 1930) you should include 2ll items in your table except my 1), 2), 3), 4) ond 5) above, with ‘he understanding that later as policies are adjusted, some of these items 1*5 may eventually fall into the Paris budget after policy is determined and new activities are assi-ned to Paris control. I tiink however that for 111 practical purposes your 1950 budget to be controlled and ex-ended in Paris may exclude 15, | One problem arises in “ne adjustment of ne Nesearch Aid Fund and the Nevolopmontal Aid Program, fe have deciued here that the Research Aid Fund (*25,000 for MS in Paris for 1929) is to cover expenditures made once only for a terminating project. Much of your aid under the Vevelopmental Prosram i3 continuous and mst ther:fore be placed in some separate cotegory,. I enn still think of no better term tian Developmental Program, but can readily gee how in your classification the items may be seuttered under the various headinvs you ‘ive. This of courge is for you to dacide. I sunnose we must also keen in mind that aid might be siven one yerr from the Nesearch Aid Fund and thon if we decide to continue it for 2 period of years it could be 30 cone tinued under some other heading, To return ‘to your classivlcxtion, our pres ont Research Aid Fund (425,000) accordin: to our view would include the follow int items of your classifications a) Grants in aid b) Laboratory etuipmont to returned fellows ec) Travel of orofessors in Furope d) Travel of advanced men in Surope a) Conference expenses (not to include attendance xt scientific meetings or conzresses) RHP to AG = 3 Aorfl 10, 1929 f) Laboratory equipment for traveling fellows (if not charged to fellowship budget snd not recurring) ‘g) Laboratory equipment for Developmental aid fellowa (if not charged to Developmental Aid budget and not recurring) h) Literature (if not recurring) i) Aid to promising mon non " j) HolSing non at important work a : k) Ald to London units non n Under continuing aid I Cind it difficult to make a classification because I do not entirely understand your estimate in your financial table (pave 4) of %100,000 for Fellowship ‘und, Are we to asaume that under thia sum you will include both traveling. ind Developmental Aid resident fellews? MRC and NDW fellowships shoul not be included in your Paria offies' fellowship ‘pudget as these funds are «poropriated jiirectly to the MRC and the NDW, Do you mean that you plan toe cut travelin, and developmental aid resident fellow ships (Italy, France and Ireland), te $70,000? It would seem to me aiffioult, put if this ts your plan I have only approvel of and praise for ite If this is your plan the only continuing vrogramsg:ag I sec it ares I. Laboratory aid for Devclopmental ald fellows, if recurring II. q " " traveling follows " " [Il.Literature (for several years) IV.Ak2 for promisin: men (for several years) ¥Y. Holiing men at important work " " " VI. Aid to London units " " " All the above items I assume may cover sever:l years of assistance, it is possible that aid to the London units mizht better be considered undek ¢he Fiuid Researeh Fund, especially if agreement could be reached with the MAC, REP to AG = 4 April 10, 1929 On the basis of these notes, and keepinz in mind that I am not quite clear ag to your intent in regard to the Follewships and the Developmontal Aid Program, see what you can do with the “275,000 mentioned above, ith the exclusion of 1-5 covered in tho early part of this memorandum you can follow your classification and briny all tho items in your classification, as far as budgeting is concerned, under three items ~ “esearch Aid Wand, Continuing Programs, Fellow ship Programs. I may be stupid about 111 thie, but if so you will of course give me further Licht, Now as to notes and queries in your tables a You have to settle this. The real auestion ig whether te charge equipment to Research Aid Fund or to Fellowship rnpropriation, b No comment except that aa result of recent correspondence with JAMA wo should like to know procedure. Do you, or do recipients, place the ore dera and pay the bills in overy instance? g& ‘This is not importent, but ve consider Research Aid Fund should be for small sums of a few hundred dollsrs, Ue ‘le have set no figure for the United States as we do not intend to handle these small funds directly. If we make an arrangement with the HRC to handle funds we shall probably leave to them decision as to any sinsle item under 35000, The NRC however will have a mech larger total than you will have at present, ind you night well place your upper figure at a somewhat lower level. g@ Thie is for you to decide. ge Wo commont, but I should like to be sure where you will charge in 1930 the stipends for resident fellows under your present Developmental Ald Program, I have in mind your large commitments in Italy, France and Ireland, fand g I am not sure I understand your plan, butI gather that hereafter the Developmental Program as such will no longer exist, but will be broken up under headings of UCauipment Fund and Fellowship Find. + emeaerenemaae Now ag to the itens opposite which you place question marks, taking them column by columm from the lofts Aid to promisiny men, and Holiing men at important work “iicse may I imasine be considered together. You could doubtlesa do much Sor thom under other items of your program, as Laboratory equipment, Grants in rid, etc., but I assume you mean more or less continued support as in the csse of Cairns, or pediatrics at Barts, ete, Ne have no final decision as yet in the New York office and probably shall ork out a program as cnges are presented. Policy will probably vary. I should hope that in time the Paria budget might contain an item covering this effort. If you wish to include one for 1930 well sand ood. e}uid research. In this office we are considering large sums for a period of three to five years for 4 sehool or 2 large croup within a university. Thia aid will cover uaterizi/assistente. The only New York example so far is grant of 520,000 a year for each of five years for the Rochester Medical School. You might study this in the deckat of the March 8 Executive Committee meeting. I agree that you should so slowly on this orogrem in Surope Cor there you wuld probab y get bettcr results by aiding indi -iduals or depertments through a con tinuation or modificstion of your Developmental program, In any event I think the New York office would prefer for « veriod of s year or so to pasa on Fluid Yaaearch aid funis in order thit we may reach a common point of view. Aid to London units. The only ones I suppose worthy of consideration are t-ose of University College and the units of MeeLean, Frazer end "Llis, and pose RMP to AG + 6 April 10, 1929 sibly Gask = the others not worth while. These I suppose could be helped under your Research aid program if the amounts needed are smal] and not recur ring. On the othor hand, if for larger amounte and recurring, Pivesyear periods of Fluid research fund might be considered at whatever level would in- dicate wise use. (1) Barts, incluiing medicine, surzery, pediatrics. (Do you know Gask and is he doing much in research?) 2 ndon, medicine and Cairns, and possibly pathology on the basis that pathology might help out the firat and second of these. If you did this you micht in time drop the ine dividual aid to Cairne. (3) Ste Thomas, Macheam, I imow of no other de~ partment of St. Thomas that could be out into 2 group for Fluid research fund, Possibly therefore HacLean might better be aided as 2 leaders (4) Pnivorsity College, nedicine, surgery, obstetrics, pediatrice, -——- As you think about Fluid research fund you mizht experiment with ome or more of the above possi-~- bilities, always keeping in touch with Fletcher so that the Research Council may not let down on its support and in order also that we may feel we. are wisely supplementing other efforts. In this particular field however I should like to know in advance what you are planning so that you might keep in touch #ith the New York point of view as to scope and procedure in Fluid research fundse Publications. Covered in first paracraph above. Conference expengese These come under Research aid funds Decision in Paris ~ no reference to Jew Yorks, Intended for individuals or small groups to get to~ gether to discuss research problems in their fields =- not for attending scientifie meetings or congresses. Aid to leaderg. Until program is worked out through consideration of specific eases aa they develop, decisions mist be made in New York, Will probably run into large sums, and theoretically at least should lead to aid in institutions in which the individuel is working (eege Vogt). Compare IIT +1 % 2, and Velie RP to AG ~ 7 April 10, 192 of January 3 outline, Here Sor example could be included your plan of life sup» port of a leater, pension, etc. 1 ee NN TN le Your gonerel outline epproved as . workin,: scheme if adjustments oan be made with the trustees! sooropriationg ond “ue ragard to Paris and New York re- sponsibility. 2e Certain phoses of our prorram sre not yat settled, Se I am not certain as to the interpretation of your finencial state~ mont (°210,000) as it applies to Developmental program and "ollowships. 4. I neve tried to throw lisht on various lines of effort and to clear up possible differences of interpretation in view of the fact thst New York and Paris discussions may start from different points and tend to widely varying con~ clusionge 5. Tie importsnt point to settle befor: the end of the year is to allo» cate tontrtively for 1930 the prouent uopropriations controlIbd by the Paris office totaling 2275,000 wich om be handlcd without refereuce to New York, and to add to these other ttems which you think essgontial for a budget to be controlled in Paris for that years I am sorry this ig so lons, but {t seems worth while to vo into detail in order that we may eventually reach 2 common point of view. RMP sGB